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@brasshopper It's something you should also consider as well here...
There are two things in life you cannot avoid:
- Taxes
and
- Death
The only thing you can control is what you do with your time and effort 😅
@brasshopper It's something you should also consider as well here...
There are two things in life you cannot avoid:
- Taxes
and
- Death
The only thing you can control is what you do with your time and effort 😅
@mckinley Oh don't get me wrong, I _never_ said a country like Australia or the US or UK or any other "civilised" country would ever do this 😅 -- Governments actually like cryptocurrencies anyway (now) since in many countries it is basically considered an asset and comes under the same taxation laws that already exist 😅 -- So no good sensible government would ever ban or make crypto hard, becuase then they couldn't tax it 😂
@mckinley Oh don't get me wrong, I _never_ said a country like Australia or the US or UK or any other "civilised" country would ever do this 😅 -- Governments actually like cryptocurrencies anyway (now) since in many countries it is basically considered an asset and comes under the same taxation laws that already exist 😅 -- So no good sensible government would ever ban or make crypto hard, becuase then they couldn't tax it 😂
@brasshopper I _think_ (as I said in another Twt) it's important to consider that BTC (not sure about other types of cryptocurrency tbh) are equivalent to a company that issues a limited number of shares (they all do) but never issues anymore than the first set.
However, as experience shows, the "share price" only has value because people are willing to buy/sell it. Same is true of BTC.
I _have to believe_ that if BTC was not bought or sold (i.e: exchanged for fiat currency) it would have zero value.
It's something you learn about wealth, currency and value. It's called "unrealised value" or "unrealised wealth". It is only "realized" once it changes hands.
@brasshopper I _think_ (as I said in another Twt) it's important to consider that BTC (not sure about other types of cryptocurrency tbh) are equivalent to a company that issues a limited number of shares (they all do) but never issues anymore than the first set.
However, as experience shows, the "share price" only has value because people are willing to buy/sell it. Same is true of BTC.
I _have to believe_ that if BTC was not bought or sold (i.e: exchanged for fiat currency) it would have zero value.
It's something you learn about wealth, currency and value. It's called "unrealised value" or "unrealised wealth". It is only "realized" once it changes hands.
@eaplmx Agreed. One of the reasons why Yarn.social (the software yarnd) deliberately by design excludes a lot of features that you would otherwise find on platforms like REddit, Twitter, whatever and so on... We/I (I guess I still try to be the captain here? 🤔) go out of our way to ensure that any change or new idea (or even old ones) can't be abused to prop one person up over another, or artificially promite one set of ideas over another, or sell user data, behaviour or metadata, etc, etc.
@eaplmx Agreed. One of the reasons why Yarn.social (the software yarnd) deliberately by design excludes a lot of features that you would otherwise find on platforms like REddit, Twitter, whatever and so on... We/I (I guess I still try to be the captain here? 🤔) go out of our way to ensure that any change or new idea (or even old ones) can't be abused to prop one person up over another, or artificially promite one set of ideas over another, or sell user data, behaviour or metadata, etc, etc.
Btw... The _best_ resource I've ever seen was by the "Explainers":
But how does bitcoin actually work? - YouTube
Which itself is a great video to watch as it really gets down to "how it all works" in a way that (hopefully) all can understand.
The basis idea/premise and underlying tech is quite solid, but I am still not convinced of its use as a global currency of any kind as I really don't want my transactions to be public 😅 -- What if I want to buy my wife a expensive gift? if I did that on _any_ cryptocurrency via its blockchain network (they all use a pubic blockchain AFAIK), then my wife could find out what I bought here. What a ruin to a good surprise 🙄 🤣
Btw... The _best_ resource I've ever seen was by the "Explainers":
But how does bitcoin actually work? - YouTube
Which itself is a great video to watch as it really gets down to "how it all works" in a way that (hopefully) all can understand.
The basis idea/premise and underlying tech is quite solid, but I am still not convinced of its use as a global currency of any kind as I really don't want my transactions to be public 😅 -- What if I want to buy my wife a expensive gift? if I did that on _any_ cryptocurrency via its blockchain network (they all use a pubic blockchain AFAIK), then my wife could find out what I bought here. What a ruin to a good surprise 🙄 🤣
@eaplmx Agreed. I _think_ in time we'll see how things evolve. What crypto and cryptocurrencies have taught us is that these ancient COBOL systems that Banks still use in today 😳 _can_ be replaced, transactions can take mere seconds and we _can_ rid ourselves of these artificial currencies backed by "governments", "bonds" and "gold bars" (?!) 😅 -- How this will pan out, time will tell..
@eaplmx Agreed. I _think_ in time we'll see how things evolve. What crypto and cryptocurrencies have taught us is that these ancient COBOL systems that Banks still use in today 😳 _can_ be replaced, transactions can take mere seconds and we _can_ rid ourselves of these artificial currencies backed by "governments", "bonds" and "gold bars" (?!) 😅 -- How this will pan out, time will tell..
@eaplmx Ahh! I was gonna say, yeah try to follow the official dos from Flutter itself to get a build going, I probably can't help much as I kind of suck at this in the first place 😅
@eaplmx Ahh! I was gonna say, yeah try to follow the official dos from Flutter itself to get a build going, I probably can't help much as I kind of suck at this in the first place 😅
@abucci To be fair, I _think_ it's sadly easy to fall into these "traps" (is this what we call bubbles? 🤔) -- So in good faith in return let's go easy on poor @brasshopper 🤗 -- In the world we live in today, it is _so easy_ to fall into these bubbles it's not even funny anymore 🤦♂️ -- Truths are so hard to find today with all the media that combarded at us and all the propaganda on all sides 🙄 -- The only thing I know to be sure of is in today's day and age (Information age?) -- Data and Information are now considered "modern weapons".
@abucci To be fair, I _think_ it's sadly easy to fall into these "traps" (is this what we call bubbles? 🤔) -- So in good faith in return let's go easy on poor @brasshopper 🤗 -- In the world we live in today, it is _so easy_ to fall into these bubbles it's not even funny anymore 🤦♂️ -- Truths are so hard to find today with all the media that combarded at us and all the propaganda on all sides 🙄 -- The only thing I know to be sure of is in today's day and age (Information age?) -- Data and Information are now considered "modern weapons".
Besides Income Tax (in Australia) I'm not aware of any laws that _force_ me to use AUD. If I decide to stop working one day (and get rid of all my investments) and live 100% off-grid -- I would have to continue to pay my rates (land tax), but that's about it. I _could_ in theory just go back to a bartering system with my neighbors or local community and live that way. So i'd be living 99.8% without a fiat currency.
Besides Income Tax (in Australia) I'm not aware of any laws that _force_ me to use AUD. If I decide to stop working one day (and get rid of all my investments) and live 100% off-grid -- I would have to continue to pay my rates (land tax), but that's about it. I _could_ in theory just go back to a bartering system with my neighbors or local community and live that way. So i'd be living 99.8% without a fiat currency.
This is also wrong. BTC was originally designed on a "proof of work" model. Some captchas are based on this as well (to prove whether you are human). Proof of Work (burning CPU cycles) is wasteful and BTC in particularly has been the most energy resource intensive "distributed network" ever created to date that I know of. It rivals the power consumption of some small countries 😳
This is also wrong. BTC was originally designed on a "proof of work" model. Some captchas are based on this as well (to prove whether you are human). Proof of Work (burning CPU cycles) is wasteful and BTC in particularly has been the most energy resource intensive "distributed network" ever created to date that I know of. It rivals the power consumption of some small countries 😳
A government can just shut down a country's internet and communication services. A government can just outright ban the currency.
A government can just shut down a country's internet and communication services. A government can just outright ban the currency.
Also BTS is only really worth "anything" at all becuase someone else is willing to "buy" it and others are willing to "sell" it. It is in theory (and practise) no different to buying "shares" in a company.
Also BTS is only really worth "anything" at all becuase someone else is willing to "buy" it and others are willing to "sell" it. It is in theory (and practise) no different to buying "shares" in a company.
Also I should point out that whilst there are in theory only ever 21M Bitcoins that could ever exist in the BTC currency, the so-called "appreciation" is actually diluting the currency. The value of 1 BTC goes up against fiat currency because of the limited supply. I'm not sure what will happen if/when a) BTC crashes entirely or 2) BTC reaches that 21M limit 🤔
Also I should point out that whilst there are in theory only ever 21M Bitcoins that could ever exist in the BTC currency, the so-called "appreciation" is actually diluting the currency. The value of 1 BTC goes up against fiat currency because of the limited supply. I'm not sure what will happen if/when a) BTC crashes entirely or 2) BTC reaches that 21M limit 🤔
inflation (I have an economist) that lives next door to me, has to do with the rise and fall of the costs of good and services. nothing to do with "printing more currency".
inflation (I have an economist) that lives next door to me, has to do with the rise and fall of the costs of good and services. nothing to do with "printing more currency".
@brasshopper I don't think "credit" (debt) and "creditors" have anything to do with a how currency changes hands or how it is represented. The only thing I will agree on here is that debt/credit is a "crooked scheme" designed to make money from money.
It is a big massive problem in many modern societies and countries. Look at Australia's national debt for example, its insane 😅
I personally don't believe in having any debt. But this is not realistic for all. I definately don't believe in "living above your means" either (same thing).
Debt/Credit is as bad (more or equally so) than Gambling.
But... Nothing to do with aparticular type of currency.
@brasshopper I don't think "credit" (debt) and "creditors" have anything to do with a how currency changes hands or how it is represented. The only thing I will agree on here is that debt/credit is a "crooked scheme" designed to make money from money.
It is a big massive problem in many modern societies and countries. Look at Australia's national debt for example, its insane 😅
I personally don't believe in having any debt. But this is not realistic for all. I definately don't believe in "living above your means" either (same thing).
Debt/Credit is as bad (more or equally so) than Gambling.
But... Nothing to do with aparticular type of currency.
I agree that inflation is a rort, and tax is well kind of required if you want common infrastructure and what not, but also efficiently spent in many countries, controlled (in many cases) by corrupt politicians and governments and often doesn't serve the people that it should. There a loads of problems with taxes, and I _believe_ inflation is stupid.
We just got our rates bill (think land tax) and the value of our land (that our house sits on) went up by some stupid amount.
One has to wonder... At what point does the value of something (and thus the taxes you have to pay) stop going up?! 🤦♂️
I agree that inflation is a rort, and tax is well kind of required if you want common infrastructure and what not, but also efficiently spent in many countries, controlled (in many cases) by corrupt politicians and governments and often doesn't serve the people that it should. There a loads of problems with taxes, and I _believe_ inflation is stupid.
We just got our rates bill (think land tax) and the value of our land (that our house sits on) went up by some stupid amount.
One has to wonder... At what point does the value of something (and thus the taxes you have to pay) stop going up?! 🤦♂️
@abucci Re proof of stake and inequality... Is this because people with money stake to vet/validate transactions and thereby make more money in the process? 🤔 -- This is at least how I understand it works generally... How is this different from those same people(s) investing that same money in things like Shares/Stocks,Businesses, Savings Accounts, etc? 🤔
@abucci Re proof of stake and inequality... Is this because people with money stake to vet/validate transactions and thereby make more money in the process? 🤔 -- This is at least how I understand it works generally... How is this different from those same people(s) investing that same money in things like Shares/Stocks,Businesses, Savings Accounts, etc? 🤔
@eaplmx What's the error? I have zero experience with Windows though and I build the Flutter codebase on macOS here normally
@eaplmx What's the error? I have zero experience with Windows though and I build the Flutter codebase on macOS here normally
@xuu
> But I have since cached out for my lambos and such
🤣
@xuu
> But I have since cached out for my lambos and such
🤣
@abucci has a good point. I've also listed my reasons too, but I'd _really_ be quite interested in hearing your "pros for" cryptocurrencies 🤔 Kind of curious at this point what people still see in it? 🤔
@abucci has a good point. I've also listed my reasons too, but I'd _really_ be quite interested in hearing your "pros for" cryptocurrencies 🤔 Kind of curious at this point what people still see in it? 🤔
@brasshopper Aside from the ridiculous hype of it all, the insane losses and harm to the economy, and the massive environmental disaster that is most crypto* -- My biggest gripe with it all, is simple this:
> I don't want the world to see my fucking transactions!!!
🤣 🤦♂️ 🙄 Right now my transactions are seen by my Bank, my Wife and myself. I also use a financial tool to track expenses and make decisions, etc. The simple mere fact that cryptocurrencies are based around the idea of a distributed network topology and a data structure designed to be in the open with algorithms that make it hard to tamper with, is well insane 😅 Good for things that _should_ be in the open and transparent, not good for things that should not be, like privacy 😅*
@brasshopper Aside from the ridiculous hype of it all, the insane losses and harm to the economy, and the massive environmental disaster that is most crypto* -- My biggest gripe with it all, is simple this:
> I don't want the world to see my fucking transactions!!!
🤣 🤦♂️ 🙄 Right now my transactions are seen by my Bank, my Wife and myself. I also use a financial tool to track expenses and make decisions, etc. The simple mere fact that cryptocurrencies are based around the idea of a distributed network topology and a data structure designed to be in the open with algorithms that make it hard to tamper with, is well insane 😅 Good for things that _should_ be in the open and transparent, not good for things that should not be, like privacy 😅*
@eaplmx Why aren't you using our Mobile App Goryon? 🤔
@eaplmx Why aren't you using our Mobile App Goryon? 🤔
@justamoment Again I'm so sorry 😅 Some good shit I linked though 🤣
@justamoment Again I'm so sorry 😅 Some good shit I linked though 🤣
@tkanos If by "near" you mean an hour or so drive, then yeah 😅
@tkanos If by "near" you mean an hour or so drive, then yeah 😅
So I _think_ the most interesting part of this Yarn is the concept of a "cp-opt" and the fact that several of you in this thread are _somewhat_ willing to help the project out in some form of "donations".
Should we talk about what that co-op should look like? How it should be run? Is this something we want to do?
So I _think_ the most interesting part of this Yarn is the concept of a "cp-opt" and the fact that several of you in this thread are _somewhat_ willing to help the project out in some form of "donations".
Should we talk about what that co-op should look like? How it should be run? Is this something we want to do?
@abucci Same. Bitcoin 🤮 (Any cryptocurrency really)
@abucci Same. Bitcoin 🤮 (Any cryptocurrency really)
@tkanos I don't personally find Lobsters or Hacker News interesting at all to me. Once upon a time I _did_ subscribe to some parts of them both via Atom (via our feeds service) -- Using Yarn itself as an interface (I use Yarn both socially and for news) -- But sadly I discontinued this, primarily because of "noise". These two platforms are so big and so centralised that they are effectively the equivalent of a large tree of crows in the evening, just pure noise.
@tkanos I don't personally find Lobsters or Hacker News interesting at all to me. Once upon a time I _did_ subscribe to some parts of them both via Atom (via our feeds service) -- Using Yarn itself as an interface (I use Yarn both socially and for news) -- But sadly I discontinued this, primarily because of "noise". These two platforms are so big and so centralised that they are effectively the equivalent of a large tree of crows in the evening, just pure noise.
Intereating discussions lints here. I agree Software should be "done" at some point. Although it is by definition meant to change 😆 I think part of the problem is the focus on "users" -- especially in the "cloud" era were in 🤦♂️
Intereating discussions lints here. I agree Software should be "done" at some point. Although it is by definition meant to change 😆 I think part of the problem is the focus on "users" -- especially in the "cloud" era were in 🤦♂️
@lyse Look more closely 😂
@lyse Look more closely 😂
This was interesting to see on the road today 😆 
This was interesting to see on the road today 😆
This was Intereating to see on the road today 😆 
@brasshopper Interesting... 🤔 I _wonder_ how many other folks out there that share your thinking here...? 🤔 Would it ba viable? 🤔
@brasshopper Interesting... 🤔 I _wonder_ how many other folks out there that share your thinking here...? 🤔 Would it ba viable? 🤔
@marado Ahh well as none of my proejcts are in Github anymore... That won't work 😅
@marado Ahh well as none of my proejcts are in Github anymore... That won't work 😅
I was Youtube surfing for cool shit last night (late) 🤣
I was Youtube surfing for cool shit last night (late) 🤣
@akoizumi I needed somewhere to throw them where I'll remember to look at them again 😅 -- The "Share via Twtxt" Bookmarklet feature of yarnd is _actually_ useful for this, I _could_ have thrown them in a doc, but it doesn't do it nearly as nicely 😅 Sorry!
@akoizumi I needed somewhere to throw them where I'll remember to look at them again 😅 -- The "Share via Twtxt" Bookmarklet feature of yarnd is _actually_ useful for this, I _could_ have thrown them in a doc, but it doesn't do it nearly as nicely 😅 Sorry!