# I am the Watcher. I am your guide through this vast new twtiverse.
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# Usage:
# https://watcher.sour.is/api/plain/users View list of users and latest twt date.
# https://watcher.sour.is/api/plain/twt View all twts.
# https://watcher.sour.is/api/plain/mentions?uri=:uri View all mentions for uri.
# https://watcher.sour.is/api/plain/conv/:hash View all twts for a conversation subject.
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# Options:
# uri Filter to show a specific users twts.
# offset Start index for quey.
# limit Count of items to return (going back in time).
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# twt range = 1 17
# self = https://watcher.sour.is/conv/266jaka
@falsifian Do you have specifics about the GRPD law about this?
> Would the GDPR would apply to a one-person client like jenny? I seriously hope not. If someone asks me to delete an email they sent me, I don’t think I have to honour that request, no matter how European they are.
I'm not sure myself now. So let's find out whether parts of the GDPR actually apply to a truly decentralised system? 🤔
@falsifian Do you have specifics about the GRPD law about this?
> Would the GDPR would apply to a one-person client like jenny? I seriously hope not. If someone asks me to delete an email they sent me, I don’t think I have to honour that request, no matter how European they are.
I'm not sure myself now. So let's find out whether parts of the GDPR actually apply to a truly decentralised system? 🤔
@prologic I have no specifics, only hopes. (I have seen some articles explaining the GDPR doesn't apply to a "purely personal or household activity" but I don't really know what that means.)
I don't know if it's worth giving much thought to the issue unless either you expect to get big enough for the GDPR to matter a lot (I imagine making money is a prerequisite) or someone specifically brings it up. Unless you enjoy thinking through this sort of thing, of course.
@falsifian I’m curious myself now and might look it up (or even ask some of our legal guys/gals 😅).
I *think* none of this matters to people outside the EU anyway. These aren’t your laws. Even if you were to start a company in the US, it would only be a marketing instrument for you: “Hey, look, we follow GDPR!” EU people might then be more inclined to become your customers. But that’s it.
That said, I’m not sure anymore if there are any *other* treaties between the EU and the US which cover such things …
@falsifian I’m curious myself now and might look it up (or even ask some of our legal guys/gals 😅).
I *think* none of this matters to people outside the EU anyway. These aren’t your laws. Even if you were to start a company in the US, it would only be a marketing instrument for you: “Hey, look, we follow GDPR!” EU people might then be more inclined to become your customers. But that’s it.
That said, I’m not sure anymore if there are any *other* treaties between the EU and the US which cover such things …
@falsifian I’m curious myself now and might look it up (or even ask some of our legal guys/gals 😅).
I *think* none of this matters to people outside the EU anyway. These aren’t your laws. Even if you were to start a company in the US, it would only be a marketing instrument for you: “Hey, look, we follow GDPR!” EU people might then be more inclined to become your customers. But that’s it.
That said, I’m not sure anymore if there are any *other* treaties between the EU and the US which cover such things …
@falsifian I’m curious myself now and might look it up (or even ask some of our legal guys/gals 😅).
I *think* none of this matters to people outside the EU anyway. These aren’t your laws. Even if you were to start a company in the US, it would only be a marketing instrument for you: “Hey, look, we follow GDPR!” EU people might then be more inclined to become your customers. But that’s it.
That said, I’m not sure anymore if there are any *other* treaties between the EU and the US which cover such things …
Yeah I'm curious to find out too beyond just "here say". But regardless of whether we should or shouldn't care about this or should or shouldn't comply. We should IMO. I'd have to build something that horrendously violates someone's rights in another country.
Yeah I'm curious to find out too beyond just "here say". But regardless of whether we should or shouldn't care about this or should or shouldn't comply. We should IMO. I'd have to build something that horrendously violates someone's rights in another country.
This has specifically come up before in the form of "informal complaints" against yarnd because of the way it permanently stores and archives Twts, so even if you decide you changed your mind, or deleted that line out of your feed, if my pod or @xuu or @abucci or @eldersnake (_or any other handful of pods still around?_) saw the Twt, it'd be permanently archived._
This has specifically come up before in the form of "informal complaints" against yarnd because of the way it permanently stores and archives Twts, so even if you decide you changed your mind, or deleted that line out of your feed, if my pod or @xuu or @abucci or @eldersnake (_or any other handful of pods still around?_) saw the Twt, it'd be permanently archived._
But this is no different to how jenny does things with storing every Twt in a Maildir I suppose? 🤔
But this is no different to how jenny does things with storing every Twt in a Maildir I suppose? 🤔
@movq @falsifian @prologic _Maybe_ I don't know what I'm talking about and You've probably already read this: *Everything you need to know about the “Right to be forgotten”* _coming straight out of the EU's GDPR Website itself_. It outlines the specific circumstances under which the right to be forgotten applies as well as reasons that trump the one's right to erasure ...etc.
I'm no lawyer, but my uneducated guess would be that:
A) twts are already publicly available/public knowledge and such... just don't process children's personal data and _MAYBE_ you're good? Since there's this:
> ... an organization’s right to process someone’s data might override their right to be forgotten. Here are the reasons cited in the GDPR that trump the right to erasure:
> - The data is being used to exercise the right of freedom of expression and information.
> - The data is being used to perform a task that is being carried out in the public interest or when exercising an organization’s official authority.
> - The data represents important information that serves the public interest, scientific research, historical research, or statistical purposes and where erasure of the data would likely to impair or halt progress towards the achievement that was the goal of the processing.
B) What I love about the TWTXT sphere is it's Human/Humane element! No deceptive algorithms, no Corpo B.S ...etc. Just Humans. So maybe ... If we thought about it in this way, it wouldn't heart to be even nicer to others/offering strangers an even safer space.
I could already imagine a couple of extreme cases where, somewhere, in this _peaceful world_ one's exercise of freedom of speech could get them in *Real trouble* (if not danger) if found out, it wouldn't necessarily have to involve something to do with Law or legal authorities. So, If someone asks, and maybe fearing fearing for... let's just say 'Their well being', would it heart if a pod just purged their content if *it's serving it publicly* (maybe relay the info to other pods) and call it a day? It doesn't have to be about some law/convention somewhere ... 🤷 I know! Too extreme, but I've seen news of people who'd gone to jail or got their lives ruined for as little as a silly joke. And it doesn't even have to be about any of this.
P.S: Maybe make X tool check out robots.txt? Or maybe make long-term archives Opt-in? Opt-out?
P.P.S: Already Way too many MAYBE's in a single twt! So I'll just shut up. 😅
@movq @falsifian @prologic _Maybe_ I don't know what I'm talking about and You've probably already read this: *Everything you need to know about the “Right to be forgotten”* _coming straight out of the EU's GDPR Website itself_. It outlines the specific circumstances under which the right to be forgotten applies as well as reasons that trump the one's right to erasure ...etc.
I'm no lawyer, but my uneducated guess would be that:
A) twts are already publicly available/public knowledge and such... just don't process children's personal data and _MAYBE_ you're good? Since there's this:
> ... an organization’s right to process someone’s data might override their right to be forgotten. Here are the reasons cited in the GDPR that trump the right to erasure:
> - The data is being used to exercise the right of freedom of expression and information.
> - The data is being used to perform a task that is being carried out in the public interest or when exercising an organization’s official authority.
> - The data represents important information that serves the public interest, scientific research, historical research, or statistical purposes and where erasure of the data would likely to impair or halt progress towards the achievement that was the goal of the processing.
B) What I love about the TWTXT sphere is it's Human/Humane element! No deceptive algorithms, no Corpo B.S ...etc. Just Humans. So maybe ... If we thought about it in this way, it wouldn't heart to be even nicer to others/offering strangers an even safer space.
I could already imagine a couple of extreme cases where, somewhere, in this _peaceful world_ one's exercise of freedom of speech could get them in *Real trouble* (if not danger) if found out, it wouldn't necessarily have to involve something to do with Law or legal authorities. So, If someone asks, and maybe fearing fearing for... let's just say 'Their well being', would it heart if a pod just purged their content if *it's serving it publicly* (maybe relay the info to other pods) and call it a day? It doesn't have to be about some law/convention somewhere ... 🤷 I know! Too extreme, but I've seen news of people who'd gone to jail or got their lives ruined for as little as a silly joke. And it doesn't even have to be about any of this.
P.S: Maybe make X tool check out robots.txt? Or maybe make long-term archives Opt-in? Opt-out?
P.P.S: Already Way too many MAYBE's in a single twt! So I'll just shut up. 😅