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@prologic maybe check out this post? https://alex.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-01-15.gmi
(quotes below)
> However, in my view, there are a problems with a lot of self-hosted software. These tools mimic the design of large, corporate software.
> Complex services have a large operational burden and steep learning curve, and if something goes wrong, they can be difficult to debug.
@novaburst based on the quote that you graciously posted, I'll have a read of this later when I can. π€
He is absolutely correct about the complex operational nature of complex software which is one of the reasons why I spend so much time trying to make things operationally easy and simple π
@novaburst based on the quote that you graciously posted, I'll have a read of this later when I can. π€
He is absolutely correct about the complex operational nature of complex software which is one of the reasons why I spend so much time trying to make things operationally easy and simple π
@novaburst Finally got around to reading this.
This guy sounds a lot like me with very similar views π
Why isn't he on Yarn.social? π€
> As an alternative approach, I advocate for software that is designed with self-hosting in mind *first*. These are applications that are designed to be as simple as possible, with as low of an operational burden as possible
π Absolutely 100% agree, this is what I'm most passionate about. Writing good software, tools and self-hosted apps and services is not _really_ that hard...
@novaburst Finally got around to reading this.
This guy sounds a lot like me with very similar views π
Why isn't he on Yarn.social? π€
> As an alternative approach, I advocate for software that is designed with self-hosting in mind *first*. These are applications that are designed to be as simple as possible, with as low of an operational burden as possible
π Absolutely 100% agree, this is what I'm most passionate about. Writing good software, tools and self-hosted apps and services is not _really_ that hard...
We've been _lied_ to for decades now in this heavy Cloud/SaaS industry we find ourselves in with numerous so-called "free" services that aren't really free at all, let alone private or even secure (there are data breaches and leaks pretty much every other day).
One thing I'd like to do is Write a blog post response to Moxie's post -- Because are _some_ beefs I have with his opinion on this subject, namely statements like:
> People donβt want to run their own servers, and never will.
π π π
We've been _lied_ to for decades now in this heavy Cloud/SaaS industry we find ourselves in with numerous so-called "free" services that aren't really free at all, let alone private or even secure (there are data breaches and leaks pretty much every other day).
One thing I'd like to do is Write a blog post response to Moxie's post -- Because are _some_ beefs I have with his opinion on this subject, namely statements like:
> People donβt want to run their own servers, and never will.
π π π
This guys are making some really cool tools - especially I want to use his crabmail to replaces various groups on Facebook, but I might want images support
@prologic
> > People donβt want to run their own servers, and never will.
>
> π π π
On the face of it it's a generalisation, but s/People/99.99% of people/ and the statement becomes objectively true.
My opinion on decentralised communications protocols is basically: Being *able* to run your own instance - *easily* - is very, very important. But being *required* to run your own instance dooms the system to failure / being very niche at best. Mastodon is a great example which fails at both; it's hard to self-host and there's no obvious canonical instance to sign up to if you don't want to host your own.
@caesar
> On the face of it itβs a generalisation, but s/People/99.99% of people/ and the statement becomes objectively true.
Yes you are right, but ask yourself "Why? How did this happen?"
I'm old enough to remember the times when everyone had their own server, everyone could run their own website easily and many people did. What changed?
@caesar
> On the face of it itβs a generalisation, but s/People/99.99% of people/ and the statement becomes objectively true.
Yes you are right, but ask yourself "Why? How did this happen?"
I'm old enough to remember the times when everyone had their own server, everyone could run their own website easily and many people did. What changed?
And yes your point on Mastodon failing this ceritiea is 100% spot on. No-one (98%) can basically stand up an instance of Mastodon _easily_. It's just FAIL.
And yes your point on Mastodon failing this ceritiea is 100% spot on. No-one (98%) can basically stand up an instance of Mastodon _easily_. It's just FAIL.
@prologic I think in those days "everyone" on the internet was a geek who loved doing things themselves. Now the internet is used by *literally* everyone, and most of them don't understand how it works any better than how their car works. It has to Just Work.
I guess whatβs needed is for self-hosting to *be* one of those things that Just Works, without the average person having to know how. (In addition to educating the public better about what the internet is, of course.)
@caesar I agree! π And you'll love what my company is trying to do here π Stay tuned π€
@caesar I agree! π And you'll love what my company is trying to do here π Stay tuned π€
@caesar Schools, at least here in the States, don't bother teaching people anything about computers. I took a "Computer Tech" elective, the only computer-related class available, in high school and it was just a digital art class. I would go across the hall from my graphic design class and do the same thing for another hour. An absolute waste of my time.
@caesar We absolutely need a mandatory class on what computers do, what the internet is, etc.
@mckinley Completely 10)% agree π Having just come from a school interview for my youngest daughter, it's nice to see that Robotics, Machine Learning and Coding are all being taught at this school π -- I certainly hope they also teach the students some of the lower-level things and inner-working of computers, otherwise I _might_ be volunteering to teach some classes π
@mckinley Completely 10)% agree π Having just come from a school interview for my youngest daughter, it's nice to see that Robotics, Machine Learning and Coding are all being taught at this school π -- I certainly hope they also teach the students some of the lower-level things and inner-working of computers, otherwise I _might_ be volunteering to teach some classes π
@prologic
> youβll love what my company is trying to do here
I'm intrigued⦠look forward to hearing more!
@caesar Me too π Who _thought_ building a company would be so much work π€£ Turns out there's some huge issues with supply chain problems all over the world and this freak'n stupid idiot of a Putin isn't making any of that any easier π€¦ββοΈ
@caesar Me too π Who _thought_ building a company would be so much work π€£ Turns out there's some huge issues with supply chain problems all over the world and this freak'n stupid idiot of a Putin isn't making any of that any easier π€¦ββοΈ
@mckinley I was lucky in a way: I was homeshooled and my studies were very much self-directed. My parents encouraged my interest in tech though they are complete muggles themselves and couldn't teach me anything about it, so I was entirely self-taught β like many geeks, it seems. As for schools, I do think the situation is improving, at least from what I've heard from friends with school-age kids. @prologic's experience is reassuring. I'm sure it varies hugely from area to area though; it definitely needs to be a part of national curricula.
@prologic Huh, supply chain problems, who'd'a thunk it ππ« Definitely not going to get better in the short (medium?π€) termβ¦
> People donβt want to run their own servers, and never will.
that's quite the broad generalisation. moxie seems to be speaking for the people. while the subset of operators who run their own systems are tiny compared to the global internet this is like saying people don't want to drink coffee, they are addicted to the caffeine i'm long past even recognising caffeine in my system but i love a good cup of coffee as a focal point