Which is not that bad, you cannot create something if you don't know previous solutions or implementations... 🤔
Again, there is simply not enough time in 3-5 years of intense education to learn to 'program'
Which is not that bad, you cannot create something if you don't know previous solutions or implementations... 🤔
Again, there is simply not enough time in 3-5 years of intense education to learn to 'program'
> In order to be an expert at something, you have to spend at least 10,000 hours on it
Or something like that 😅
> In order to be an expert at something, you have to spend at least 10,000 hours on it
Or something like that 😅
> In order to be an expert at something, you have to spend at least 10,000 hours on it
Or something like that 😅
> In order to be an expert at something, you have to spend at least 10,000 hours on it
Or something like that 😅
Expertise requires quite a bit more time!
Not wanting to criticize anything on your paper or your numbers, and based on a book I'm reading, Factfulness, I'd like to know an average and also the standard deviation or a distribution graph on _time to learn to program from scratch_. Usually the average hides the diversity on the sample.
There are a lot of books on the subject such as https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4983932-10-000-hours
Now I think 10,000 is saying something like "more time that you'd expect of intended practice, multiplied by talent"
An interesting discussion I heard in a podcast, was that the expertise level grows _"logarithmically"_ (I think that's the right word). Learning from 0 to, let's say, 50% takes a year. 50-75% another year, and so. The last 95-99% takes decades of intense and purposeful practice.
Reading over it again, I'm realizing that my memory of what we included is pretty skewed, oops 😕 We did survey some CS education literature to get a sense for how long it took to learn to program according to educators, but it looks like we left out that survey (for lack of space I think? but also because of the audience). The guesstimate about how long it takes to learn a natural language is sourced from the US Department of State. I'll have to dig through my notes to find where I got the corresponding guesstimate about learning to program.
I totally agree with you about diversity being a very important factor. I definitely have not paid this due attention in the writings I've done about CS education. Two links that might be of interest to you that I stumbled on recently:
- A blog post suggesting there's really no such thing as "learning to code". People learn how to program in a specific domain, and a good fraction of what they learn is not transfearbale to another domain. So learning programming is a much more nuanced pursuit
- Amy J. Ko, a CS education researcher at the University of Washington in the US whose interests and work includes the relationship between diversity issues and computing.
Wish I had a better answer for you!
Reading over it again, I'm realizing that my memory of what we included is pretty skewed, oops 😕 We did survey some CS education literature to get a sense for how long it took to learn to program according to educators, but it looks like we left out that survey (for lack of space I think? but also because of the audience). The guesstimate about how long it takes to learn a natural language is sourced from the US Department of State. I'll have to dig through my notes to find where I got the corresponding guesstimate about learning to program.
I totally agree with you about diversity being a very important factor. I definitely have not paid this due attention in the writings I've done about CS education. Two links that might be of interest to you that I stumbled on recently:
- A blog post suggesting there's really no such thing as "learning to code". People learn how to program in a specific domain, and a good fraction of what they learn is not transferable to another domain (the blog posts goes a bit into why that might be). So learning programming is a much more nuanced pursuit
- Amy J. Ko, a CS education researcher at the University of Washington in the US whose interests and work includes the relationship between diversity issues and computing.
Wish I had a better answer for you!
And I got the paper, thanks for sharing! It's about 200 pages. Wow, that's a lot of knowledge.
I hope the other links are helpful!