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@david @prologic nobody will come after you, but I also think that if youβre not the only one using a machine, you need more licenses. Computer vs User. I had LittleSnitch in the past, but do not use it anymore. Using pfSense now
How does pfSense replace what Little Snitch does? π€
How does pfSense replace what Little Snitch does? π€
@prologic little snitch blocks things on your laptop. A firewall. PfSense is a firewall on the local network. Work similar. One on the machine, the other for everything in the network.
@carsten Little Snitch is more than just a firewall, and does more than pfSense. Have a read here and there.
@carsten I don't think they're even remotely the same thing. Little Snitch operates at the Kernel level and capture all the nasty things an App might do -- Whereas a firewall strictly operates at the Network level.
@carsten I don't think they're even remotely the same thing. Little Snitch operates at the Kernel level and capture all the nasty things an App might do -- Whereas a firewall strictly operates at the Network level.
@prologic I think it also allows you to stop certain processes from running on the local machine? I.e microphone.
I could be wrong haha π
@ullarah That's Micro Snitch but yeah π One is more of an Application Firewall that operates at the Kernel level, it's the different between a Network Firewall and the use of eBPF in the Linux Kernel to monitor and potentially block unwanted syscalls or unwanted network connecting in Applications running on Linux OS(es).
@ullarah That's Micro Snitch but yeah π One is more of an Application Firewall that operates at the Kernel level, it's the different between a Network Firewall and the use of eBPF in the Linux Kernel to monitor and potentially block unwanted syscalls or unwanted network connecting in Applications running on Linux OS(es).
@prologic with the new m1 Macs and Big Sur(?) Little Snitch can no longer work at the kernel level. And while I like Apple a lot, they haven't covered themselves with glory by bypassing the network extension framework for some of their own domains.
@prologic But with the blocking of unwanted calls locally, you are right.
@prologic but maybe I am seeing sth not. So I might be wrong about the differences. LS can do more locally, yes.
@carsten I _think_ the main thing is the Application level firewall, which is not something you can do at the Network level -- But OTOH you have me worried that Little Snitch no longer works on Apple's M1 hardware? (_I haven't upgraded to Macbook M1s yet..._) -- Or were you simply referring to the backdoor Apple created for themselves to circumvent Kernel-level network filtering for their own builtin apps? If so I agree, I _believe_ this is unethical of Apple and whilst I love their hardware and software, I still don't trust them.
@carsten I _think_ the main thing is the Application level firewall, which is not something you can do at the Network level -- But OTOH you have me worried that Little Snitch no longer works on Apple's M1 hardware? (_I haven't upgraded to Macbook M1s yet..._) -- Or were you simply referring to the backdoor Apple created for themselves to circumvent Kernel-level network filtering for their own builtin apps? If so I agree, I _believe_ this is unethical of Apple and whilst I love their hardware and software, I still don't trust them.
@carsten Yeah I wish Apple would reverse track on this firewall bypass they've allowed for themselves. Apple would have much greater respect in the community and trust:
@carsten Yeah I wish Apple would reverse track on this firewall bypass they've allowed for themselves. Apple would have much greater respect in the community and trust:
@david Ahhh! π Trust you to keep up-to-date with all the #Apple news π
I am very glad to hear this, as you know I use Apple mostly because of the good hardware and the only decent OS with _actual_ goodness to gracious accessibility. Their App Store, iTunes, Apple TV+ and iCloud I couldn't care less about π (_but personal choice right? π
_) -- As long as Apple give allowing me to "turn off things I don't want" they have my $$$ π€£_
@david Ahhh! π Trust you to keep up-to-date with all the #Apple news π
I am very glad to hear this, as you know I use Apple mostly because of the good hardware and the only decent OS with _actual_ goodness to gracious accessibility. Their App Store, iTunes, Apple TV+ and iCloud I couldn't care less about π (_but personal choice right? π
_) -- As long as Apple give allowing me to "turn off things I don't want" they have my $$$ π€£_
And FWIW I am on Monterey 12.1 π
And FWIW I am on Monterey 12.1 π
@prologic π₯³π, and yes, Little Snitch runs fine on Apple Silicon hardware, no need for Rosetta 2. Back to the ContentFilterExclusionList, more from Objective Development, the makers of Little Snitch, amongst others.
@david Good to know π I haven't upgraded to Apple Silicon yet, I tend to wait for an iteration or two before making drastic changes to hardware/software π
And it was a good thing I normally do, because when they first introduced the Apple M1 there _were_ some software compatibility problems, but no more! π
@david Good to know π I haven't upgraded to Apple Silicon yet, I tend to wait for an iteration or two before making drastic changes to hardware/software π
And it was a good thing I normally do, because when they first introduced the Apple M1 there _were_ some software compatibility problems, but no more! π
@david Good news to hear. I haven't followed those releases a lot as I am still working on a 2013 MBA. So I think I will renew my license with Little Snitch when I upgrade to a M1 or M2
My wife got an M1 and is super happy with it. I will for sure upgrade next iteration with an M2 or just give her the new one for all things Adobe and take the golden-rose M1. Yes, she has chosen that weird color. ;-)
@david Thanks for the update. I really missed that piece of information.