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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhLtyrRwGcg&t=45s 14 European Dollars ๐Ÿคฃ
@adi That's pretty America! ๐Ÿ˜‚ Also the Fairphone seems like a great idea, considering how many phones get thrown away, because the battery gets inflated, the great quality charging port that always gets all wiggly after a year or so of use, the random display cracks that happen and make you find out that for the price of their repair, you can get a whole new phone and all that stuff.
If this one will really be this easy to repair, we might finally once again get a phone that doesn't completely fall apart after around 3 years of use.
@thecanine Yeah, somebody commented on YouTube with

> MURICA

Yeah, looks pretty good. However I took a look if it also provides a mainboard replacement, like https://frame.work does. That would have been even cooler.
@thecanine
> phones get thrown away, because the battery gets inflated, the great quality charging port that always gets all wiggly after a year or so of use, the random display cracks that happen and make you find out that for the price of their repair, you can get a whole new phone and all that stuff [โ€ฆ]


I have been using iPhones since the iPhone 3G, and those things you mentioned have happened **zero** times. I use my iPhones for 2-3 years, and then either trade them in, or hand them downโ€”they are in perfect usable state. I understand everyone doesn't want to spend money every 2-3 years on a phone, though.

A Fairphone has no appeal to me. Well, also any phone running Android has no appeal to me, but I digress ๐Ÿ˜‚.
@fastidious Well I'm an audiophile larper who need a lot of Android exclusive apps (one of them is even needed for all the pixel art I make). So phones without an audio jack (that can't charge and play music through said jack at the same time) are straight up unusable for me and iOS would also be a no-go, with apps that are important for me missing a lack of customization and a company that pretends to care about your privacy, but really doesn't (at least Google is the more honest scumbag). ๐Ÿ˜‚
@fastidious yeah I have to admit I also trade in or hand down
@fastidious yeah I have to admit I also trade in or hand down
@thecanine LOL. It is iOS vs Android all over again. I used to engage in flame wars related to this, way before you had a smartphone, I am sure ๐Ÿ˜‚. Not. Worth. It.

Everyone carries its own cross, right? ๐Ÿคฃ Enjoy your phone, and aim for happiness. The rest is just crumbs.
@fastidious Not sure about your claims of "being first", I was a very early adopter of smartphones, on team Android since version 2.2. ๐Ÿ˜
@thecanine
> on team Android since version 2.2

LOL. Kids these days. You are only 1 year older than my kid ๐Ÿ˜œ!

I had an Android G1, from T-Mo, the first Android smartphone. I had had other Android phones after that too, including a few Pixels. You need to use the platform to hate it, otherwise is silly, baseless, hate ๐Ÿ˜….
@fastidious Well I never had any Apple device, just knew people who had.
I just always thought they were really overpriced for what they were and way too restrictive, as I've been sideloading apps since that very first Android phone.
Removing the headphone jack was just wrong and I've decided I'll never buy any smart device without it (maybe except watches), because it's all done to push wireless headphones and it's bullshit. We all know the jack can fit in there, if they actually cared about what they were making.
The fact they added more ports to Macbooks and upgraded to a more professional sound card makes me think that they are starting to realize their mistake and might actually make their phones usable for more people again in the future. ๐Ÿค”
Also on a side note, fuck the Apple emoji people. I can forgive many things, but your dog is just ugly, to the point where I'm forced to use the fox emoji and whoever made MeMoji a thing should be tried for crimes against the art community as a whole! They're not modern art, they're not even art and I'm forced to see them presented as art in public and I hate all those companies, pushing them down my throat with the passion that words cannot describe.
@thecanine
> Apple emoji people. I can forgive many things, but your dog

Oh?! I have never used the dog emoji. Letโ€™s see:

๐Ÿถ๐Ÿ•๐Ÿฆฎ๐Ÿฉ๐Ÿ•โ€๐Ÿฆบ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿฆด๐ŸŒญ๐Ÿฅบ

All those come up when I search for dog.
@fastidious a screenie:

Dog Memoji:



๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
@fastidious Yeah, now look how much nicer they look on Android:

You can call me biased, because they chose a shiba, but even that fact aside, I think they just look better.
@thecanine
> You can call me biased

Yah, dog, youโ€™re biased. ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ
Well bias aside, the three dogs in the middle are about the same quality on both systems. I think the second one was also originally somewhat uglier on iOS, but Apple changed it in later versions, so I have to give them some credit for that.
I could have also confused it with Twitters version of the second one, but let's not get into that.
The first dog emoji and Animoji is just a weird pear shaped abomination and while the last one isn't that bad either, it blends in with the dark backgrounds and German shepherds are obviously better than passable generic black doggo. ๐Ÿ™ƒ
@fastidious Does a Nokia (donโ€™t recall the model) with Opera Mini count? ๐Ÿคฃ
@fastidious Does a Nokia (donโ€™t recall the model) with Opera Mini count? ๐Ÿคฃ
Did I see it mentioned the Fairphone removed the headphone jack?? WTF? Why would a device aimed at such a market DO that?
@eldersnake Yeah that's a little crazy ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ
@eldersnake Yeah that's a little crazy ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ
@eldersnake the time will come when no computer will have a floppy disk drive. Oh, wait! That's now! OK, OK, the time will come when no computer will have a CD ROM drive. Oh, wait! That's also happening now! Soon, no consumer computer will come with an RJ45 jack. It is happening now!

A headphone jack is soon to be legacy, and gone. Wireless earbuds are simply amazing.
@fastidious Mate you can take my precious Cat6e and RJ45 out of my cold dead hands! ๐Ÿ˜‚

Donโ€™t get me wrong my family does have two wireless access points in our home but wireless absolutely **does not** beat fiber optic cable or Cat6e ๐Ÿ˜†
@fastidious Mate you can take my precious Cat6e and RJ45 out of my cold dead hands! ๐Ÿ˜‚

Donโ€™t get me wrong my family does have two wireless access points in our home but wireless absolutely **does not** beat fiber optic cable or Cat6e ๐Ÿ˜†
@prologic
> Donโ€™t get me wrong my family does have two wireless access points in our home but wireless absolutely does not beat fiber optic cable or Cat6e

Not yet, right. It is just a matter of time.

All 20 devices in our house are wireless. The only wired device is my Synology, and the cable modem, of course.
@fastidious MG not quite. Interference will always be a problem for wireless.
@fastidious MG not quite. Interference will always be a problem for wireless.
@fastidious No. I can't stand Bluetooth and I have great quality wired headphones. Also never need charging. Some trends are stupid (IMO)
@eldersnake This 100%! While I liked floppy disks and CD drives back in the day, they simply take too much space to be put in a laptop, so I'll rather take a thinner laptop with no CD drive than a thicker one with it.
Also no one really puts stuff on floppys and most CDs with software or games are backed up online.
Headphone jack is so tiny and easy to implement, people were able to add it back to their iPhones without making them any bigger, proving Apples was dishonest when arguing that it can no longer fit.
Also while there are somewhat usable wireless headphones (for the price of seven or more usable wired ones) they still have a battery that'll go to shit after a few years and they are still worst for music listening according to most (or at best similar) and have a higher latency.
I have problems with wired headphones too, as them making the cables nonreplaceable and fragile is just a scummy way to make you have to throw away a perfectly fine pair of headphones that's all good (and that they often won't even service), but the solution to that problem is better wired headphones and not going wireless!
@thecanine Agreed ๐Ÿ‘Œ although I do like my Bose Super Quiet Comfy 35โ€™s ๐Ÿ˜‚
@thecanine Agreed ๐Ÿ‘Œ although I do like my Bose Super Quiet Comfy 35โ€™s ๐Ÿ˜‚
@thecanine Yeah I hear ya. The only reason I went with my current main smartphone (a Pixel 3) is because it's so easy to de-Google (ironically) and can run a very nice privacy first ROM in CalyxOS. I haven't regretted the OS side of things, but while I figured I would try live without a headphone jack, I've really hated that part. I have a USB-C to 3.5mm adaptor, but it uses a bit of extra battery and is just kind of inconvenient to have carry it around with the phone.
I will certainly reinforce my personal mandate for future purchases - that is, MUST have a headphone jack and have a removable battery ๐Ÿ˜ Ideally also totally user repairable, but whether those (few) options will be matured by then is another thing.