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@abucci Do you happen to use Signal btw? π€ If you do, it would be great if you could join the Yarn.social Signal Group (_at least until we have Group support and better apps for Salty.im π
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@abucci Do you happen to use Signal btw? π€ If you do, it would be great if you could join the Yarn.social Signal Group (_at least until we have Group support and better apps for Salty.im π
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@prologic I left Signal a year-ish ago because (a) the CEO started talking about crypto, which freaked me out; (b) then the CEO abruptly left, which freaked me out; and (c) they removed the functionality to decrypt your messages, making Signal into yet another walled garden.
It turns out that getting your messages *out* of Signal is difficult, requires a third-party app, and is lossy. I never managed to get my MMSs out, only my SMSs. I was pissed that this app basically took over my phone number and then wouldn't let me migrate back out. So I'm never using it again!
I'm a devotee of XMPP though if you use that (anthony@bucci.onl). I'll check out the IRC channel.
@abucci Ahh fair enough π
Totally get where you're coming from π I very nearly left Signal myself for similar reasons... I haven't yet, only because Salty.im isn't where I'd like it to be (yet) -- soonβ’ π€ -- I'll catch ya on IRC then, sorry not a fan of XMPP, tried and just keep giving up π
@abucci Ahh fair enough π
Totally get where you're coming from π I very nearly left Signal myself for similar reasons... I haven't yet, only because Salty.im isn't where I'd like it to be (yet) -- soonβ’ π€ -- I'll catch ya on IRC then, sorry not a fan of XMPP, tried and just keep giving up π
@abucci > this app basically took over my phone number
Is this an Android-specific thing? What the heck?
@ocdtrekkie at least at the time I installed Signal on my android phone, it wanted a phone number to send and receive texts. From then on, any texts I sent and received went through Signal, not through the phone's SMS app. The texts were no longer stored in the phone's usual SMS storage, but in Signal somewhere, encrypted. Getting them out again so that I could switch back to an Android native SMS app was hard, and I lost messages in the process.
@prologic Libera's insistence on giving them my e-mail and real IP address makes me *really* not want to give them either one. Otherwise, I'd probably talk in IRC regularly.
@prologic Libera's insistence on giving them an e-mail and my real IP address makes me *really* not want to give them either one. Otherwise, I'd probably talk in IRC regularly.
@abucci That sounds awful. I had to give Signal my phone number, but I assume that's so people can find my account? It couldn't reroute messages within my phone.
@mckinley FWIW, spam on IRC is really, really prevalent, and IRC has limited systems to handle it. I know they'll let you cloak your info with regards to other users seeing it, but trusting them with it is somewhat important to them managing the server.
@ocdtrekkie yeah, and now that it looks like Edward Snowden, who told people they should use Signal, has probably been a Russian asset for awhile, I'd delete that thing immediately if I still had it.
Russia has some ties to Telegram, but I don't think they have ways to control Signal.
I don't use it, so it doesn't effect me either way, other than peeking my curiousity. Also even if that was somehow the case, there are still Signal forks, with their own servers.
I use XMPP and Matrix myself and was also very skeptical, when it came to the push to add crypto to Signal. Especially as someone who had to jump the Keybase ship years ago, for similar crypto and ties to a dictatorship (in Keybases case China) reasons. π€
@abucci Interestingly enough, Signal has announced plans to deprecate SMS/MMS support entirely. So even if I had a phone which could tamper with my text messages, Signal soon won't anyways.
Since I've solely installed Signal to talk to the Yarn social Signal group, and that's not a sensitive communication, it doesn't bother me if it's compromised very much.