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Well Matrix is junk ๐คฆโโ๏ธ After staying up late for several hours (it's not 2.30am ๐ณ) I was unable to get my Dendrite homeserver to "Federate". I posted a Federation Failures in the hopes it gets the developers attention, but so far this is honestly a joke.
I honestly can't believe this simple concept of "servers talking to other servers" is so freak'n hard ๐คทโโ๏ธ
Well Matrix is junk ๐คฆโโ๏ธ After staying up late for several hours (it's not 2.30am ๐ณ) I was unable to get my Dendrite homeserver to "Federate". I posted a Federation Failures in the hopes it gets the developers attention, but so far this is honestly a joke.
I honestly can't believe this simple concept of "servers talking to other servers" is so freak'n hard ๐คทโโ๏ธ
@prologic I had had Synapse running before without issues, but long, long ago. Matrix is slow, and awkward. It might have many defendersโyou know, people who love ~pain~ itโbut I completely pass on that shit. Sorry for the time lost, I hope it was "fun". :-/
@prologic I had had Synapse running before without issues, but long, long ago. Matrix is slow, and awkward. It might have many defendersโyou know, people who love pain itโbut I completely pass on that shit. Sorry for the time lost, I hope it was "fun". :-/
@david Yeah I'm quite disappointed really to be honest with you -- And disappointed with the "industry" and "community" at large.
It's one thing to build shitty UI/UX which I'm honestly quite terrible at, but it's another to write shit software, over engineering, poor logging, poor documentation, and well fuck, you've just grown so big that no-one gives a fuck ๐
(please correct me if I'm guilty of some of these too! probably am ๐)
@david Yeah I'm quite disappointed really to be honest with you -- And disappointed with the "industry" and "community" at large.
It's one thing to build shitty UI/UX which I'm honestly quite terrible at, but it's another to write shit software, over engineering, poor logging, poor documentation, and well fuck, you've just grown so big that no-one gives a fuck ๐
(please correct me if I'm guilty of some of these too! probably am ๐)
Re-trying XMPP was less fun. At least I could stand up a Matrix server without punching all kinds of stupid holes through my network's firewall ๐
But this "Federation" thing is a joke. It doesn't mean what anyone thinks it means, it's just the latest hyped up BS in my opinion ๐ -- Just call it what it really is, server to server communications protocols / API / whatever. And for the love of god, why make it so hard?! ๐คฆโโ๏ธ
Re-trying XMPP was less fun. At least I could stand up a Matrix server without punching all kinds of stupid holes through my network's firewall ๐
But this "Federation" thing is a joke. It doesn't mean what anyone thinks it means, it's just the latest hyped up BS in my opinion ๐ -- Just call it what it really is, server to server communications protocols / API / whatever. And for the love of god, why make it so hard?! ๐คฆโโ๏ธ
@prologic Maybe it's harder to get Dendrite working properly (it's pre-release software after all I guess) but I never had any issue with Synapse, I had it up and running in ~15 minutes. The issue I did have was that it's a resource hog (mainly because of backfilling large federated rooms) but a few tweaks to caching settings improved that and I've been running for over a year with no issues at all.
I do agree it seems over-engineered in many ways, I must say. But overall I've been really happy with it and it's now one of my primary communication platforms.~
@prologic Good thing I never tried to set up federation. The Matrix server that I run is purely for my family. I just whish I had known about FluffyChat earlier, because itโs much easier to use than Element. ๐
@prologic Good thing I never tried to set up federation. The Matrix server that I run is purely for my family. I just whish I had known about FluffyChat earlier, because itโs much easier to use than Element. ๐
@prologic Good thing I never tried to set up federation. The Matrix server that I run is purely for my family. I just whish I had known about FluffyChat earlier, because itโs much easier to use than Element. ๐
@prologic But now Iโm confused. You said:
> But this "Federation" thing is a joke. It doesn't mean what anyone thinks it means
I thought it means that it works similar to e-mail: User A on server A can talk to user B on server B. Is that not what it is?! ๐ค
@prologic But now Iโm confused. You said:
> But this "Federation" thing is a joke. It doesn't mean what anyone thinks it means
I thought it means that it works similar to e-mail: User A on server A can talk to user B on server B. Is that not what it is?! ๐ค
@prologic But now Iโm confused. You said:
> But this "Federation" thing is a joke. It doesn't mean what anyone thinks it means
I thought it means that it works similar to e-mail: User A on server A can talk to user B on server B. Is that not what it is?! ๐ค
I think @movq is right, it existed basically since forever
@movq that's exactly what it means ๐
As for clients, I prefer SchildiChat myself, it's an Element fork with a few improvements. I find FluffyChat too basic, but then I never liked WhatsApp either, which I guess it what it's trying to imitate UI-wise.
matrix is one of those love || hate situations i'm afraid. when implemented properly and the plants properly watered it can work just fine. but the documentation like many things are lacking, especially a year or two ago when many were trying to shoehorn it into docker. ended up solving this problem after a few days but synapse was resource intensive.
dendrite works (or did), but the number of issues not being addressed is concerning and their api/system components are not in full parity with synapse (yet).
i maintain a private matrix homeserver merely to bridge other communication methods that people i correspond with might use. comes in handy in that aspect.
i really miss freenode