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@movq my apologies if I crossed some lines, I only meant it as a friendly engagement (which, all aside, was achieved!). Thank you for sharing your thoughts; please know that I appreciate them.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I'm going to bed, but I'll have a closer read/think tomorrow đŸ€ž
@movq It's formatted just fine đŸ€Ÿ
I can't disable a bloody loud beep from my Lenovo laptop "keyboard panic, you can't type right now". Online docs mention a UEFI setting that is just not there.This đŸ’© makes me so angry.
This is formatted poorly on twtxt.net, so here’s a plain text file: https://movq.de/v/971c5a125d/wall-of-text.txt

 and now I just read @bender’s other post that said the Gemini text was a shortened version, so I might have criticized things that weren’t true for the full version. Okay, sorry, I’m out. (And I won’t play that game, either. Don’t send me another AI output, possibly tweaked to address my criticism. That is besides the point and not worth my time.)
@prologic Let’s go through it one by one. Here’s a wall of text that took me over 1.5 hours to write.

### The criticism of AI as untrustworthy is a problem of misapplication, not capability.

This section says AI should not be treated as an authority. This is actually just what I said, except the AI phrased/framed it like it was a counter-argument.

The AI also said that users must develop “AI literacy”, again phrasing/framing it like a counter-argument. Well, that is also just what I said. I said you should treat AI output like a random blog and you should verify the sources, yadda yadda. That is “AI literacy”, isn’t it?

My text went one step further, though: I said that when you take this requirement of “AI literacy” into account, you basically end up with a fancy search engine, with extra overhead that costs time. The AI missed/ignored this in its reply.

Okay, so, the AI also said that you should use AI tools just for drafting and brainstorming. Granted, a *very rough* draft of something will probably be doable. But then you have to diligently verify every little detail of this draft – okay, fine, a draft is a draft, it’s fine if it contains errors. The thing is, though, that you really *must* do this verification. And I claim that many people will not do it, because AI outputs look sooooo convincing, they don’t *feel* like a draft that needs editing.

Can you, as an expert, still use an AI draft as a basis/foundation? Yeah, probably. But here’s the kicker: You did not create that draft. You were not involved in the “thought process” behind it. When you, a human being, make a draft, you often think something like: “Okay, I want to draw a picture of a landscape and there’s going to be a little house, but for now, I’ll just put in a rough sketch of the house and add the details later.” You are aware of what you left out. When the AI did the draft, you are not aware of what’s missing – even more so when every AI output already looks like a final product. For me, personally, this makes it much harder and slower to verify such a draft, and I mentioned this in my text.

### Skill Erosion vs. Skill Evolution

You, @prologic, also mentioned this in your car tyre example.

In my text, I gave two analogies: The gym analogy and the Google Translate analogy. Your car tyre example falls in the same category, but Gemini’s calculator example is different (and, again, gaslight-y, see below).

What I meant in my text: A person wants to be a programmer. To me, a programmer is a person who writes code, understands code, maintains code, writes documentation, and so on. In your example, a person who changes a car tyre would be a mechanic. Now, if you use AI to write the code and documentation for you, are you still a programmer? If you have no understanding of said code, are you a programmer? A person who does not know how to change a car tyre, is that still a mechanic?

No, you’re something else. You should not be hired as a programmer or a mechanic.

Yes, that is “skill evolution” – which is pretty much my point! But the AI framed it like a counter-argument. It didn’t understand my text.

(But what if that’s our future? What if all programming will look like that in some years? I claim: It’s not possible. If you don’t know how to program, then you don’t know how to read/understand code written by an AI. You are something else, but you’re not a programmer. It might be *valid* to be something else – but that wasn’t my point, my point was that you’re not a bloody programmer.)

Gemini’s calculator example is garbage, I think. Crunching numbers and doing mathematics (i.e., “complex problem-solving”) are two different things. Just because you now have a calculator, doesn’t mean it’ll free you up to do mathematical proofs or whatever.

What would have worked is this: Let’s say you’re an accountant and you sum up spendings. Without a calculator, this takes a lot of time and is error prone. But when you have one, you can work faster. But once again, there’s a little gaslight-y detail: A calculator is correct. Yes, it could have “bugs” (hello Intel FDIV), but its design actually properly calculates numbers. AI, on the other hand, does not understand a thing (our current AI, that is), it’s just a statistical model. So, this modified example (“accountant with a calculator”) would actually have to be phrased like this: Suppose there’s an accountant and you give her a magic box that spits out the correct result in, what, I don’t know, 70-90% of the time. The accountant couldn’t rely on this box now, could she? She’d either have to double-check everything or accept possibly wrong results. And that is how I feel like when I work with AI tools.

Gemini has no idea that its calculator example doesn’t make sense. It just spits out some generic “argument” that it picked up on some website.

### 3. The Technical and Legal Perspective (Scraping and Copyright)

The AI makes two points here. The first one, I might actually agree with (“bad bot behavior is not the fault of AI itself”).

The second point is, *once again*, gaslighting, because it is phrased/framed like a counter-argument. It implies that I said something which I didn’t. Like the AI, I said that you would have to adjust the copyright law! At the same time, the AI answer didn’t even question whether it’s okay to break the current law or not. It just said “lol yeah, change the laws”. (I wonder in what way the laws would have to be changed in the AI’s “opinion”, because some of these changes could kill some business opportunities – or the laws would have to have special AI clauses that only benefit the AI techbros. But I digress, that wasn’t part of Gemini’s answer.)

### tl;dr

Except for one point, I don’t accept any of Gemini’s “criticism”. It didn’t pick up on lots of details, ignored arguments, and I can just instinctively tell that this thing does not *understand* anything it wrote (which is correct, it’s just a statistical model).

And it framed everything like a counter-argument, while actually repeating what I said. That’s gaslighting: When Alice says “the sky is blue” and Bob replies with “why do you say the sky is purple?!”

But it sure looks convincing, doesn’t it?

### Never again

This took so much of my time. I won’t do this again. 😂
@bender We _could_ -- It's just never became "strong enough"ℱ of a demand that I ever extended the possibility of supporting other mime types.
This brings a thought I had for a long time, why can't we upload arbitrary files to a twtxt? If not an image, make it simply a link. I could have used such feature to upload the text.
@prologic when I first "fed" the text to Gemini, I asked for a three paragraphs summary. It provided it. Then I asked to "elaborate on three areas: user experience, moral/political impact, and technical/legal concerns". The reply to that is too long for a twtxt.

I then asked to counter the OP opinions---as in "how would you counter the author's opinion?". The reply was very long, but started like this:

> "That's an excellent question, as the post lays out some very strong, well-reasoned criticisms. Countering these points requires acknowledging the valid concerns while presenting a perspective focused on mitigation, responsible integration, and the unique benefits of AI."

What followed was extensive, so I asked for a summary, which didn't do justice to the wall of text that preceded it.
@bender Same I only have one registrar too (OnlyDomains).
@prologic hehehe, yeah, it isn't mine neither. Most obscure TLDs are in small registrars. I like to stick to one register (even though when Google Domains ceased to exist I was forced to have two, as Cloudflare doesn't support the .ONE TLD).
@bender It's not even available on my registrar anyway đŸ€Ł
@prologic save your coins! :-D
Heh @ a3f9c no suprise there.As it's pretty new XD
@bender Makes me wonder whether _somethingarather_.zip is a good primary domain for the service I'm building? đŸ€”
@prologic it looks made with good taste, which I appreciate. Developer's site address is cool, https://tiago.zip. I didn't know one could rent a ZIP TLD.
@bender I _think_ that's where it sends the capture verification requests. It's based on PoW, so it has to perform validation somehow. It actually looks pretty decent as far as a way to prevent spam/abuse of forms on the open web (e.g: Waitlist on SnipMail).
@prologic never heard of it before. I wouldn't call lightweight to anything that needs Docker to run, though. 😅
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Acabo de ver una señora con las cejas verdes, y el maquillaje naranja risquetto , labios blancos y me estaba pareciendo una elección estética arriesgada pero genial. Tipo Ompa Loompa.

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I am using Todoist since 2014. They just sent an email that they are doubling the price. Because I am such an old user I can keep my old plan but don't get new features
 I don't know
 I mean they were relatively cheap, but 

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RE: https://tkz.one/@mistermaceta/115507514818226140

Voy a probar esto de citar citando un toot del gran mistermaceta en el que comenta un tema de centros de datos y agua.

A nivel personal creo que el agua no tendrĂ­a que ir para los centros de datos. Ni agua ni aguo.

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Bueno espera, me ha salido esta canciĂłn, super 80tera y me mola mucho:

Flipturn - Burnout Days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wa8Rxzyz50&list=RD20cuFhgPLEo&index=2

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Buenos dĂ­as!

Hoy seguiremos escuchando los punkerrimos Surfing Sirles, extinta banda Barcelonina.

Toca, RomanĂ­, Semen i Sang

https://elssurfingsirles.bandcamp.com/album/roman-semen-i-sang

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Una vecina de León deja sin internet a todo su pueblo al cortar los cables de fibra óptica: "No deja que vengan a repararlo" https://www.20minutos.es/television/una-vecina-leon-deja-sin-internet-todo-su-pueblo-cortar-los-cables-fibra-optica-no-deja-que-vengan-repararlo\_6734612\_0.html ⌘ Read more****
[47°09â€Č02″S, 126°43â€Č18″W] Carrier too weak
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That reminds me, I just recently started using lazygit and it's a lot better than I thought.
I should probably add a page to my site cataloging the twtxt urls and such I've learned recently
posting from my shitty android. phones suck! gopher forever!
You do raise very good points though, but I don't think any of this is particularly new because there are many other examples of technology and evolution of change over time where people have forgotten certain skills like for example, changing a car tyre
@movq I am genuinely curious as to why you think Geminis summarization and the categorization of your gopher post was and is as you say misunderstood?

I asked this very genuinely because before reading @bender's comments and Gemini summarization I actually went and unplugged your post into flood gaps go for proxy, and then listen to the text intently with my own human ears 👂
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This sounds bad, but I suspect it's a highly conservative estimate for both Facebook and Google. https://techcrunch.com/2025/11/06/meta-estimates-that-it-earns-10-of-its-revenue-from-scams-report-says/
hi @lafe and thank you!
What is this about? I don't run my Gopher proxy anymore 😅
hi @sxb and welcome to twtxt!
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De algĂșn modo es como que ya no sacan temas como estos en estos tiempos https://youtu.be/6iOndKBXcvw

Mucho amor y tal que esta bien el amor pero llamar fachas a los fachas no sobra. ⌘ Read more****
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No esta mal la vuelta de Bizarap tras 10 meses. DADDY YANKEE https://youtu.be/qNw8ejrI0nM ⌘ Read more****
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I have recently been made painfully aware of how small is the lifespan of an #USB #stick. Have been thinking about it since (and, in particular, how bad an investment is a big-storage thumb drive, taking that into account)... and also about how much worse does this make me feel about the new tendency of having movies and music being sold in USB sticks instead of the 'old physical formats' (yes DVDs and CDs don't have a great lifespan either, but in comparison...)

#storage
I have recently been made painfully aware of how small is the lifespan of an #USB #stick. Have been thinking about it since (and, in particular, how bad an investment is a big-storage thumb drive, taking that into account)... and also about how much worse does this make me feel about the new tendency of having movies and music being sold in USB sticks instead of the 'old physical formats' (yes DVDs and CDs don't have a great lifespan either, but in comparison...)

#storage
I have recently been made painfully aware of how small is the lifespan of an #USB #stick. Have been thinking about it since (and, in particular, how bad an investment is a big-storage thumb drive, taking that into account)... and also about how much worse does this make me feel about the new tendency of having movies and music being sold in USB sticks instead of the 'old physical formats' (yes DVDs and CDs don't have a great lifespan either, but in comparison...)

#storage
hello, @threatcat!
https://genepy.org/ exercixes python
@bender It’s sad. Remember that Munich once ran the LiMux project. 😞

We could build a strong IT sector in Germany or the EU, but we just don’t want to.
@lyse @bender I’m not very knowledgable regarding the two points you mentioned, hence I didn’t include them in my list. But, yeah, from what I’ve *heard*, it doesn’t look good.
> Bavaria is moving to the Microsoft cloud: The state government intends to conclude a contract with the US corporation by the end of the year for the use of the cloud office package Microsoft 365.

Source: https://www.heise.de/en/news/Bavaria-wants-to-move-to-Microsoft-cloud-by-year-end-11066929.html

🎉🎉🎉
hello, @threatcat !
helooooooo @sxb!
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Just testing out twtxt!
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La ONU alerta: vamos a un calentamiento global catastrĂłfico con un rĂ©cord de emisiones en 2024 https://quo.eldiario.es/uncategorized/q2511351360/la-onu-alerta-vamos-a-un-calentamiento-global-catastrofico-con-un-record-de-emisiones-en-2024 ⌘ Read more****
Props to him on nailing messaging tho. Essential activist skill, and he's crushing it
ENSHITTIFICATION the book I guess lays out a framework, but the references are all his own covered territory
Kinda hit a wall w/ messaging tho. In the last few months I read INTERNET CON and CHOKEPOINT CAPITALISM, and listened to the CBC podcast
OK, glad I made the drive. Seeing Doctorow speak with the same speed + enthusiasm you hear on his audiobooks + interviews is pretty cool
#musiquinta "MĂșsica feita por pessoas negras", e primeiro pcorrem-me umas quantas opçÔes de Jazz, e lego a seguir noto que sĂŁo raros os mĂșsicos negros que tenho na minha coleção se nĂŁo contar com Jazz ou Blues (que nĂŁo Ă©, de todo, o tipo de mĂșsica que mais ouço). EntĂŁo Ă© bem propositado decidir destacar essas "excepçÔes" (e se calhar inspirar-me na hashtag para alargar os meus horizontes...)

EntĂŁo quem vos trago aqui hoje Ă© o Maxim dos The Prodigy, que nĂŁo sĂł tem dado voz como escreveu vĂĄrias das mĂșsicas... incluindo a que escolho hoje: Poison.

https://youtu.be/_mej5wS7viw
#musiquinta "MĂșsica feita por pessoas negras", e primeiro pcorrem-me umas quantas opçÔes de Jazz, e lego a seguir noto que sĂŁo raros os mĂșsicos negros que tenho na minha coleção se nĂŁo contar com Jazz ou Blues (que nĂŁo Ă©, de todo, o tipo de mĂșsica que mais ouço). EntĂŁo Ă© bem propositado decidir destacar essas "excepçÔes" (e se calhar inspirar-me na hashtag para alargar os meus horizontes...)

EntĂŁo quem vos trago aqui hoje Ă© o Maxim dos The Prodigy, que nĂŁo sĂł tem dado voz como escreveu vĂĄrias das mĂșsicas... incluindo a que escolho hoje: Poison.

https://youtu.be/_mej5wS7viw
#musiquinta "MĂșsica feita por pessoas negras", e primeiro ocorrem-me umas quantas opçÔes de Jazz, e lego a seguir noto que sĂŁo raros os mĂșsicos negros que tenho na minha coleção se nĂŁo contar com Jazz ou Blues (que nĂŁo Ă©, de todo, o tipo de mĂșsica que mais ouço). EntĂŁo Ă© bem propositado decidir destacar essas "excepçÔes" (e se calhar inspirar-me na hashtag para alargar os meus horizontes...)

EntĂŁo quem vos trago aqui hoje Ă© o Maxim dos The Prodigy, que nĂŁo sĂł tem dado voz como escreveu vĂĄrias das mĂșsicas... incluindo a que escolho hoje: Poison.

https://youtu.be/_mej5wS7viw
#musiquinta "MĂșsica feita por pessoas negras", e primeiro ocorrem-me umas quantas opçÔes de Jazz, e lego a seguir noto que sĂŁo raros os mĂșsicos negros que tenho na minha coleção se nĂŁo contar com Jazz ou Blues (que nĂŁo Ă©, de todo, o tipo de mĂșsica que mais ouço). EntĂŁo Ă© bem propositado decidir destacar essas "excepçÔes" (e se calhar inspirar-me na hashtag para alargar os meus horizontes...)

EntĂŁo quem vos trago aqui hoje Ă© o Maxim dos The Prodigy, que nĂŁo sĂł tem dado voz como escreveu vĂĄrias das mĂșsicas... incluindo a que escolho hoje: Poison.

https://youtu.be/_mej5wS7viw
Hi, posting from my Amiga 500! Boing ball forever!
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Se me ha ocurrido dejar de fondo el canal 24h. Han dejado la comisiĂłn de gestiĂłn de la DANA.

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Hi guys! posting from my win11 laptop!
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Nueva canciĂłn de mi adorada Amaia:

Aralar:

https://youtu.be/PeU5u4cpER8?si=EOpko36GBmlGdh-U

Le mantiene el pulso a la \*otra estrella nacional xD

#musica #music #amaia ⌘ Read more*****
Hmm anyone got a contact detail for Andrew? @eldersnake – The emails/contacts I have have all bounced 😭
@bender Hmm anyone got a contact detail for Andrew? @eldersnake -- The emails/contacts I have have all bounced 😭
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Las bondades de trabajar en oficina y vivir lejos del trabajo; cuando salĂ­ de casa apenas llovĂ­a, luego me ha dado el chaparrĂłn en la misma calle del curro pero ya llegando. Los que viven cerca les pillĂł el chaparrĂłn saliendo de casa, y no han podido salir, se han quedado con teletrabajo.

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@prologic that poke will go no where. It is 502d. 😅
@bender LOL sure lets trade!!
BLUEDWARF.TOP JUST TRY IT!!!!
go bluedwarf.top go!
go arsenal go!
@aelaraji I'll poke @eldersnake
@retech @jeffzugale Unfortunately yeah there is a *lot* of these random things that indicate belonging to certain groups or having certain views, it is probably impossible to know all of them.
I remember as a young kid in school being tricked into saying embarrassing things or references I didn't understand. A lot of the Internet is not much more mature than that.
Is it me or is the we.loveprivacy.club yarn instance down? đŸ€” I've been getting a 502 the last couple of days.
@retech @jeffzugale Mind you, I do sort of suspect Home Depot did not intentionally price white spray paint cans so that after local sales tax in the OP's area it came out to that amount specifically if you buy two. This was probably totally coincidental. (For one, I think paint tends to be sold at the same price in any color.)
@retech @jeffzugale Yeah, so 1488 is a Nazi thing. This is why the parent post specifically mentioned a "dogwhistle". It's something Nazis put in profiles and such that a lot of people don't notice, but helps them identify themselves to other likeminded people.
@rmogull @Viss They probably should've spent a bit more time double checking things. :|
Probably really sucks to be THAT MAINTENANCE TECHNICIAN.
@kims We will see all of the stages of grief this week. All the ones Erika skipped, as it happens.
eureka v2.7.0, javascript degeneracy | https://nilfm.cc/eureka.html
@gtconway3 At this point the hardest question a Democratic Senate would face is *which charge do we get him on because there are so many options?**
@whitequark Yeah, I agree it does seem redundant that those URLs are in multiple files in a program. Anyone who actually wants to use two libraries with identical names in their code anyways deserves all of the natural consequences of doing so. :D
@whitequark Though the default behavior of GOPROXY is also a whole additional layer to this deep well. I find GOPROXY extremely uncomfortable but also it's the only reason some code I use can be built.
@whitequark I mean, I sorta always felt like the old Java package convention com.java, com.android, etc. was more or less indicating "this is the website", but without actually... pointing to anything? So it sort of feels like it makes sense to just put the code there.
I assume though you can do closed source Go development... so not all the code has to be publicly reachable, right?
I feel like if I ever understand it, I'll like Go's packaging system.
@whitequark The idea that you just point at a Git repo for a dependency feels super modern and cool. That you can point at subpackages within it... also cool. That you can have a vanity URL so people can use their own domain even if the code is on GitHub... neat.
...I have not gotten any of this to work for me reliably yet.
@retech @jeffzugale I think the point of this post probably whizzed right past your head at white speed.
quartzgun v0.5.0 w/ universal cfg | https://nilfm.cc/quartzgun.html
"Computação e o ensino superior artĂ­stico portuguĂȘs: currĂ­culos e prĂĄticas nos cursos de graduação pĂșblicos"

"Computing and the Portuguese higher arts education: curricula and practices in public undergraduate programs"

https://www.scielo.br/j/ep/a/dmVzQzqPXTjdPn7dBFtsvnw/?lang=pt

#CreativeCoding #ProgramaçãoCriativa
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@movq this I find more worrisome, and saw no mention of it on your text: Right-Wing Chatbots Turbocharge America’s Political and Cultural Wars (gift article).

> Enoch, one of the newer chatbots powered by artificial intelligence, promises “to ‘mind wipe’ the pro-pharma bias” from its answers. Another, Arya, produces content based on instructions that tell it to be an “unapologetic right-wing nationalist Christian A.I. model.”
@threatcat that seems like a cool reason to drive though. Sounds fun!
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@magdabandera/115499158587750537

La gente de la Marea lleva haciendo buen periodismo de investigación muchos años.

Ahora necesitan un empujón con su crowfunding: ⌘ Read more****
car dependency and car culture ruin Miami for me
that's an hour to only travel 16 miles