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It always amazes me just how bad Microsoft's "products" are. I actually thought Windows 95 to XP where really good, lightweight (relatively speaking) and flexible.
I got a Windows PC for gaming a while back, which is Windows 10 I think. The entire thing is just a cesspit of surveillance and adverts. But, with the added benefit, of having to pay for a closed source proprietary piece of garbage.
Why anyone would choose to use that over Linux or a Mac is beyond me. Don't get me wrong, macOS is still trash. But miles better than that Windows disaster.
@markwylde I am curious, though. I agree with pretty much everything you wrote with the exception of macOS being trash. Care to expand on that? What isn't trash, in your view?
@fastidious yeah, I'm really fussy over software and a big supporter of the GPL/GNU/FSF stuff. So pretty much any proprietary software, I'm against :P I'm very unreasonable, I know :P
But I really hate:
- telemetry
- signing/gatekeeping software
- can't actually download it in a nice iso
- lots of legal conditions, like only allowed on Apple hardware. Can't just buy the os.
- closed source
- its huge. Like GBs in size
@fastidious yeah, I'm really fussy over software and a big supporter of the GPL/GNU/FSF stuff. So pretty much any proprietary software, I'm against :P
But I really hate:
- telemetry
- signing/gatekeeping software
- can't actually download it in a nice iso
- lots of legal conditions, like only allowed on Apple hardware. Can't just buy the os.
- closed source
- its huge. Like GBs in size
@fastidious yeah, I'm really fussy over software and a big supporter of the GPL/GNU/FSF stuff. So pretty much any proprietary software, I'm against š I'm very unreasonable, I know š
But I really hate:
- telemetry
- signing/gatekeeping software
- can't actually download it in a nice iso
- lots of legal conditions, like only allowed on Apple hardware. Can't just buy the os.
- closed source
- its huge. Like GBs in size
Currently I use popOS on a System76 laptop. It's pretty good, although I wish it wasn't based on Ubuntu.
@markwylde, I see. When you wrote "big supporter of the GPL/GNU/FSF stuff", that should have been the period there. But that doesn't make the OS trash, though you might think it is **for you**. Just a small observation.
Privacy is of great concern to Apple, and clearly (no lawyer wording mumbo jumbo) spelled out on their site. More about how data is used by Apple. Apple, of course, isn't perfect.
What you mark as being against I see as positive. The signing/gatekeeping works great, and provides a level of security. The ISO you can download; it is on the OS application bundle when you download it. Yes, the install is 8GB, and a fully installed macOS (Monterey) is less than 16GB. That isn't huge, unless you are living in the 1990s still. For comparison purposes, my Linux CLI onlyāthat is, no X applications, or environmentāVPS is 14GB.
I take it you use Microsoft Windows for gaming still, correct? And your daily drive one is Linux, yes? You are in luck, as 2022 will beācertainly, and once and for allāthe year of the Linux Desktop!
I concentrated so much on the bullets, that completely missed the last two sentences. I smiled when I read the last sentence, as it sounds like a contradiction to me. I mean, if it is pretty good, why should we care if it is based on Ubuntu? š¤£
Yeah, absoluteky. The closed source reason doesn't make it trash. Sublime text is in no way trash, but is closed source and proprietary.
It's the points I listed after, that gets me to the conclusion macOS is trash.
Signing is a great feature. But the gatekeeper shouldn't be Apple.
8gb is huge. But I guess, like everything, it's subjective.
Yeah I'm using Windows for a bit of gaming. But most stuff on Steam actually works on Linux, via Wine. I think/hope you're right, we'll finally have a year of the Linux desktop š
> I mean, if it is pretty good, why should we care if it is based on Ubuntu? š¤£
Haha, yeah, you're right.