That's why part of my proposal was to allow custom strings and be free from a specific format that need periodical upgrades, but it's not much of a problem in the end.
I'll adapt to what we can get out of this.
That's why part of my proposal was to allow custom strings and be free from a specific format that need periodical upgrades, but it's not much of a problem in the end.
I'll adapt to what we can get out of this.
* https://www.pcp.pt/insistencia-do-governo-em-medidas-fiscais-agrava-injusticas-promove-precariedade-na-habitacao
"Até agora, a redução da taxa para 10% estava condicionada à celebração de contratos com a duração mínima de dez anos, com esta alteração, passa a ser aplicada a taxa de 10% mesmo a contratos de apenas um ano (com rendas até 2300 euros). Na verdade, o Governo incentiva a conversão de contratos de longa duração em contratos de curta duração, desprotegendo os inquilinos e contribuindo para uma nova espiral de aumento das rendas."
"quer o alargamento das deduções com as despesas de arrendamento por parte dos inquilinos em sede de IRS – medida que deixa de fora mais de 40% dos inquilinos, pois não pagam IRS – , quer em particular a descida do IVA na construção para imóveis até 648 mil euros inserem-se numa orientação que privilegia e favorece um tipo de construção cujos valores não respondem às necessidades de quem procura arrendar ou comprar habitação"
"O País precisa [...] da regulação do mercado de arrendamento que coloque limites ao valor das rendas e force a sua descida. Precisa da promoção da estabilidade dos contratos de arrendamento assumindo os dez anos como referência."
...though, the presence of the text fragments then makes reversing the replied-to twt (and therefore its hash) trivial, which could allow clients to tolerate the omission of the hash — and while it would be 'non-standard' this would be the best of both worlds; potential to *tolerate* (or pave a glacial path toward? :o) human writable twts whilst keeping a unique id for twts that is universal across all pods
...though, the presence of the text fragments then makes reversing the replied-to twt (and therefore its hash) trivial, which could allow clients to tolerate the omission of the hash — and while it would be 'non-standard' this would be the best of both worlds; potential to *tolerate* (or pave a glacial path toward? :o) human writable replies whilst keeping a unique id for twts that is universal across all pods
i concede, it does make a lot of sense to fix up the hashing spec rather than completely supplant it at this point, just thinking about what the rewrite would be like is dreadful in and of itself x.x
i concede, it does make a lot of sense to fix up the hashing spec rather than completely supplant it at this point, just thinking about what the rewrite would be like is dreadful in and of itself x.x
- 2 counts of pushing and trying to get the simplest things done at work (_that for some reason are made more difficult than they should be_)
- This whole Chat Control bullshit
- And some other person things going on that have been ongoing for 72 days and counting 🤬
What I want us to do is make only a few half dozen or so lines of code changes to our clients and minimize the breaking changes and unknowns.
(Subject) whose contents is a cryptographic content-addressable hash of the "thing"™ you're replying to and forming a chain of other replies (a thread).I'm sorry, but the simplest thing to do is to make the smallest number of changes to the Spec as possible and all agree on a "Magic Date" for which our clients use the modified function(s).
> Do the simplest thing that could work.
It's one of the age old UNIX philosphies.
Therefore, the simplest thing™ to do here is to just increase the hash length, mark a magic™ date/time as @lyse has indicated and call it a day. We'll then be fine for a few hundred years, at which point there'll be no-one left alive to give a shit™ anyway 🤣
url#timestamp as keys.
* https://eco.sapo.pt/2025/09/25/rendas-de-2-300-euros-sao-moderadas-a-explicacao-do-governo/
Veja-se só:
"para poderem precisamente fixar-se e poderem constituir os recursos humanos que a nossa administração pública e as nossas empresas precisam para serem competitivas"
"uma família com dois ou três filhos em Lisboa e no Porto, muitas vezes não consegue ter uma habitação a um preço inferior a este"
"os 2.300 euros, nomeadamente nas zonas de maior pressão, apontam para um rendimento do agregado familiar na casa dos 5.000 euros para um agregado familiar de um pai, de uma mãe, dois filhos"
"também estão lá os funcionários públicos em início de carreira com 1.248 euros"
E a realidade em Portugal?
* salários mais baixos na Função Pública são 878,41 euros brutos mensais (2025)
* rendimento bruto médio de agregado familiar em Portugal era 3352€/mês (2022)
* casal de FPs a receber cada 1.248 euros/mês não ganha o suficiente para pagar uma renda mensal de 2300
Mas pronto, são rendas moderadas, os salários é que são baixos... ainda bem que o Governo vai subir o salário mínimo nacional para os 1200€... Ai não vai? É só 1100€ e para 2029? Ah, mas dá antes descontos aos senhorios, pode ser que seja mais ou menos a mesma coisa...
#ptpol #rendas*
After thinking about it for a while I got to two solutions:
Proposal 1: Thread syntax (using subject)
Each post have an implicit and an *optional* explicit root reference:
- Implicit (no action needed, all data required are already there)
- URL + timestamp
- Explicit (subject required)
- Identity (client generated)
- External reference
- Random value
We then add include a "root" subject in each post for generating explicit theads:
1.
[ROOT_ID] (REPLY_ID): simpler with no need of prefixes2.
(root:ROOT_ID) (reply:REPLY_ID): more complex but could allow expansions-
(rt:ROOT_ID) (re:REPLY_ID): same but with a compact version-
($ROOT_ID) (>REPLY_ID): same but with a single charactersEach post can have both references, like the current hash approach the reference can be treated as a simple string and don't have a real meaning.
Using a custom reference this way allows a client to decide how to generate them:
- Identity: can be a content hash or signature or anything else, without enforcing how it is generated we can upgrade the algorithm/length freely
- External references: can be provided from another system (Eg.
7e073bd345, *yarnsocial/yarn* latest commit)- Random value: like a UUID (Eg.
9a0c34ed-d11e-447e-9257-0a0f57ef6e07)Proposal 2: Threaded mentions (featuring zvava)
Inspired by @zvava's solution it could be simplified into:
#<nick url#timestamp> or #<url#timestamp>It can be shown like a mentions or hidden like a subject.
If we're using thinking of using a counter in the client, I think there's no point in avoiding the timestamp anymore.*
index.md a prehook and a few utilities:
$ git ls-files
.gitignore
.zs/config.yml
.zs/editthispage
.zs/include
.zs/layout.html
.zs/list
.zs/months
.zs/now
.zs/onthispage
.zs/posthook
.zs/postsbymonth
.zs/prehook
.zs/scripts
.zs/styles
.zs/tagcloud
.zs/taglist
.zs/years
archives/.empty
assets/css/site.css
assets/js/main.js
index.md
posts/hello-zs-blog.md
posts/on-tagging.md
posts/second-post.md
tags/.empty
Would be nice to have a fixed fee for that, a car is a car anywhere in the world...
Alice starts thread #42:
2025-09-25T12:00:00Z (tno:42) Launching storage design review.
Bob replies:
2025-09-25T12:05:00Z (tno:42) (ofeed:https://alice.example/twtxt.txt
) I think compaction stalls under load.
Carol replies to Bob:
2025-09-25T12:08:00Z (tno:42) (ofeed:https://alice.example/twtxt.txt
) Token bucket sounds good.
Each origin feed numbers new threads
(tno:N). Replies carry both (tno:N) and (ofeed:<origin-url>). Thread identity = (ofeed, tno).- Roots:
(tno:N) (implicit ofeed=self). - Replies:
(tno:N) (ofeed:<url>). - Clients: increment
tno locally for new threads, copy tags on reply. - Subjects optional, not required.
...=
2025-09-25T22:41:19+10:00 Hello World
2025-09-25T22:41:19+10:00 (#kexv5vq https://example.com/twtxt.html#:~:text=2025-09-25T22:41:19%2B10:00) Hey!
Preserving both content-based addressing as well as location-based addressing and text fragment linking.
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> That's kind of my position on this. If we are going to make significant changes in the threading model, let’s keep content based addressing, but also improve the user experience. Answering your question, yes I think we can do some combination of both.
If there are opposing opinions we either build a bridge or provide a new parallel road.
Also, I wouldn't call my opinion a "stance", I just wish for a better twtxt thanks to everyone's effort.
The last thing we need to do is decide a proper format for the location-based version.
My proposal is to keep the "Subject extension" unchanged and include the reference to the mention like this:
// Current hash format: starts with a '#'
(#hash) here's text
(#hash) @<nick url> here's text
// New location format: valid URL-like + '#' + TIMESTAMP (verbatim format of feed source)
(url#timestamp) here's text
(url#timestamp) @<nick url> here's text
I think the timestamp should be referenced verbatim to prevent broken references with multiple variations (especially with the many timezones out there) which would also make it even easier to implement for everyone.
I'm sure we can get @zvava, @lyse and everyone else to help on this one.
I personally think we should also consider allowing a generic format to build on custom references, this would allow for creating threads using any custom source (manual, computed or external generated), maybe using a new "Topic extension", here's some examples.
// New format for custom references: starts with a '!' maybe?
(!custom) here's text
(!custom) @<nick url> here's text
// A possible "Topic" parse as a thread root:
[!custom] start here
[custom] simpler format
This one is just an idea of mine, but I feel it can unleash new ways of using twtxt.
https://merankorii.bandcamp.com/track/the-alchemist
Dates in JavaScript are truly strange creatures.
https://nebula.tv/videos/maryspender-the-dire-straits-story-full-documentary
https://www.youtube.com/live/_g00S-a_0lo
-f bestvideo[height<=?1080]+bestaudio/best
yt-dlped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZTSIYkuMlU. It's only worth for an experiment, no recommendation to watch.
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(no Brasil)
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So, I've been working on 2 main twtxt-related projects.
The first is small Node / express application that serves up a twtxt file while allowing its owner to add twts to it (or edit it outright), and I've been testing it on my site since the night I made that post. It's still very much an MVP, and I've been intermittently adding features, improving security, and streamlining the code, with an eye to release it after I get an MVP done of project #2 (the reader).
But that's where I've been struggling. The idea _seems_ simple enough - another Node / express app (this one with a Vite-powered front-end) that reads a public twtxt file, parses the "follow" list, grabs (and parses) _those_ twtxt files, and then creates a river of twts out of the result. The pieces work fine in seclusion (and with dummy data), but I keep running into weird issues when reading real-live twtxt files, so some twts come through, while others get lost in the ether. I'll figure it out eventually, but for now, I've been spending far more time than I anticipated just trying to get it to work end-to-end.
On top of it, the 2 projects wound up turning into 4 (so far), as I've been spinning out little libraries to use across both apps (like https://jsr.io/@itsericwoodward/fluent-dom-esm, and a forthcoming twtxt helper library).
In the end, I'm hoping to have project 1 (the editor) into beta by the end of October, and project 2 (the reader) into beta sometime after that, but we'll see.
I hope this has satisfied your curiosity, but if you'd like to know more, please reach out!
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The single plum that my plum tree gave us in 2025.
In here it is all about control, and money.
I just got my renewed documents. Their expiration date says something like 01.09.40. Huh? That looks super weird to me, like an error. But no, it’s 2040 … Just 15 years away.
Páginas da revista sobre a Noite de Processing no Garoa Hacker Clube
https://www.catarse.me/variavel (para o Brasil)
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/variavel-magazine (para outros países)
#ProgramaçãoCriativa #CreativeCoding
Reprodução de páginas da revista onde aparecem alguns dos meus desenhos e o começo da entrevista.
The thread is defined by two parts:
1. The hash
2. The subject
The client/pod generate the *hash* and index it in it's database/cache, then it simply query the subject of other posts to find the related posts, right?
In my own client current implementation (using hashes), the only calculation is in the hash generation, the rest is a verbatim copy of the subject (minus the
# character), if this is the common implemented approach then adding the location based one is somewhat simple.s
function setPostIndex(post) {
// Current hash approach
const hash = createHash(post.url, post.timestamp, post.content);
// New location approach
const location = post.url + '#' + post.timestamp;
// Unchanged (probably)
const subject = post.subject;
// Index them all
addToIndex(hash, post);
addToIndex(location, post);
addToIndex(subject, post);
}
// Both should work if the index contains both versions
getThreadBySubject('#abcdef') => [post1, post2, post3]; // Hash
getThreadBySubject('https://example.com#2025-01-01T12:00:00') => [post1, post2, post3]; // Location
As I said before, the mention is already location based
@<example https://example.com/twtxt.txt>, so I think we should keep that in consideration.Of course this will lead to a bit of fragmentation (without merging the two) but I think this can make everyone happy.
Otherwise, the only other solution I can think of is a different approach where the value doesn't matter, allowing to use anything as a reference (hash, location, git commit) for greater flexibility and freedom of implementation (this probably need the use of a fixed "header" for each post, but it can be seen as a separate extension).
I want us to preserve Content based addressing.
Let's improve the user experience and fix the hash commission problems.